David Gibson, now retired, made the admission to lead counsel
to the Grenfell Tower Inquiry Richard Millett QC during his evidence this week.
Millett probed Gibson on what the TMO discussed with Rydon
prior to the announcement of a preferred bidder in 2014.
Rydon had submitted a bid of £9.2m for the project, £600,000
lower than any of its rivals, but the TMO only had a budget for the project of
£8.4m.
Gibson explained that the TMO wanted to discuss with Rydon
how it had entered into a contract over its budget and to try to “clarify” with
the contractor that it was “comfortable” using value engineering clauses within
the contract to overcome this difficulty.
He confirmed that discussions began before a preferred bidder
was announced and that the TMO wasn’t having the same conversations about value
engineering with any other bidder.
Millett asked: “How could it have been proper to have any of
these discussions about price reductions with Rydon alone and not having those
discussions with any of the other bidders?”
Gibson said he was clear that during interviews with the
prospective contractors that if a question was asked of one contractor, the
same question had to be posed to all of them.
Millett replied: “Surely it would have followed in your mind
at the time that, if you were going to have discussions about value engineering
with one of those bidders, you would have to have them with all.”
Gibson replied: “No…I think we were in an uncomfortable
position, but we couldn’t talk to three contractors, that would not be allowed.
We were trying to clarify a process at this point…The problem was that Peter
[Maddison, director of assets at the TMO] needed to get information for his
board report, and we needed to be sure that Rydon were comfortable with our
approach. We were trying to agree a process with them and get an understanding
from them that they were agreeable…we would enter into a contract at a higher
figure, and we would use the value engineering clauses to then work out how we
bridge that gap.”
Gibson sent an email to Rydon refurbishment manager Steve
Blake on 13 March 2014 saying that the TMO was seeking savings of £800,000
including the cladding savings already priced and requested a meeting.
Millett asked: “Do you accept that the thrust of this email
was to tell Rydon that they had to come down further from their bid price?
Gibson replied: “No.”
Millett continued: “Well, can you explain what you meant
when you said that you were indicating ‘areas we would like you to look at in
relation to possible savings’? Savings, surely, over and above the £9.2m that
they’d bid?”
Gibson said: “I was giving them enough information to try
and explain what the problem was so that there were areas they would be looking
at. My wording might be slightly bad, but the intention was to clarify the
process, but being as open as possible with them on what the gap was, what
we’ve identified, and asking them to look at all the areas.”
Millett asked Gibson if it didn’t occur to him that the
£8.4m budget the TMO had was too low for the project it wanted.
Gibson said: “No. I think that we were actually quite
pleased when we saw the Rydon tender submission figures because it wasn’t as
big a gap as we thought there might be, and we thought: this is something that
we can make work.”
Offline meeting
The hearing heard how a meeting between Blake and Gibson took place on 18 March at the TMO’s offices to discuss an approach. No records of the meeting, which Gibson described as “offline”, were kept.
Millett asked: “Why wasn’t it recorded? It was important.”
Gibson said: “I think what we wanted was an understanding.”
Millett replied: “What you wanted was a secret understanding
that was not discoverable by anybody else, least of all the other bidders.
That’s right, isn’t it? Can you not accept that?”
Gibson said: “It was an offline meeting, yes.”
During the meeting Rydon “agreed they were comfortable in
being able to identify and bridge the gap between the two sets of figures”. Gibson
said: “We wanted assurance that they were comfortable with our approach.”
Inquiry chair Sir Martin Moore-Bick intervened in the
questioning to ask: “It wasn’t just comfortable, was it? Because you made it
quite clear in the spreadsheet that what you needed was a reduction in cost of
the project achieved by a change in specification.”
Gibson said: “I don’t think we were changing the
specification necessarily at this time.”
Moore-Bick replied: “Well, wasn’t that the underlying premise?
You were asking them to concentrate on particular areas where the existing
specification could be modified in order to produce a saving in the cost of the
project. You see, I asked the question because a little while ago you said what
you wanted to discuss with them was process. But actually what you wanted to
discuss was the application of a process. You were interested in the outcome of
the process, not just the process, weren’t you?”
Gibson replied: “Yes.”
Legal advice ignored
Millett went on to read out legal advice from Towers &
Hamlins given to the TMO which stated that having advertised the contract as a
restricted procedure based on a contract value of £8m-£10m, “KCTMO is required
to assess the tenders based on the price/quality criteria you have set out in
the tender documents. The restricted procedure does not permit a contracting authority
to undertake negotiations with the tenderers prior to contract award, and does
not provide for the contracting authority to revise the tender document or for
tenderers to submit revised ’best and final offers’.”
It warned that to do so would be a breach of EU Regulations.
Trowers & Hamlins added: “Your only EU-compliant options
are to assess the tenders and award the contract to the tenderer who scored the
highest based on your price/quality criteria, or not award the contract and run
a new procurement exercise. If the contract allows it, you may run value
engineering exercises with your selected tenderer, but only once the contract
has been entered into.”
Millett asked Gibson if he had read and understood the advice
from Towers & Hamlins. Gibson confirmed he had.
Millett asked if the TMO’s subsequent decision to discuss the approach with Rydon and also to discuss figures by way of value engineering was “completely contrary to the clear legal advice that it received from Towers & Hamlins?” Gibson agreed that it was.
But he did not agree that Rydon received preferential
treatment.
Millett said: “Well, they were told that they were in pole
position, and they were given a chance to produce value engineering figures
before notification in circumstances where the others were not. Does that not
tell us that Rydon was given preferential treatment?”
Gibson: “No, it does tells us that we followed a process in assessing
the tenderers to get to a preferred contractor status, and it tells us that we
had identified a problem, we had taken legal advice, we were looking at a way
to overcome the problem. I think it’s quite clear.”
The Inquiry continues.
